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Post by Sawslig Steve. And William. on Aug 21, 2012 4:08:50 GMT
So... Camilla just released a new version of Giant Creatures and... Actually made the army-builder work in-game.
All he's doing is replacing the taskbar.lua, though... Will that make it crash multiplayer? We most test this. Seriously, if this works, massively well done by him. I can make maps that enable certain blueprints from the very beginning-- shit, I can make maps that actually give you all the blueprints, so you can just change as you go without collecting DNA. So, wow. I hope this is a thing.
Even if the mod is still... Drastically terrible. XD.
P.S. In his new version:
-Soundbeam Tower and Water Chamber require now Advanced Structures -Vet Clinic requires now Rank 4 -Genetic Amplifier requires now Rank 5 -Landing Pad requires now Rank 3 -Foundry requires now Rank 2 -Bramble Fence requires now Rank 3 -Advanced Structures-Research is more expensiv and slower to research
PNEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEH XD.
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Post by Sawslig Steve. And William. on Aug 21, 2012 4:34:08 GMT
I think it'll cause out-of-syncs.
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Post by Byamarro on Aug 21, 2012 7:10:01 GMT
I hope
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Post by Fuck you Steve on Aug 24, 2012 19:19:54 GMT
I agree that most of the stuff in GC needs to be changed.
For one, the dragon needs to be a ground unit
Chamillas needs to make the AI actually challenging
Ai needs to be enabled in multiplayer
He needs more people to work on GC.
I'm also fondling of one mega mod, made and balanced by the community. If this would be made, there will be no more bickering about how one person stole this person's model or something like that.
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Post by Sawslig Steve. And William. on Aug 25, 2012 3:53:41 GMT
... You do know that that's pretty much exactly what Tel's against, right?
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Post by Fuck you Steve on Aug 25, 2012 12:48:21 GMT
Why?
And why did you rage and keep oceanic tell from the public? It's a small community, and you might as well make it public.
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Post by thedoktor on Aug 25, 2012 15:46:31 GMT
You're wasting your breath, Admantus.
We've been round and round about this and it's pretty much pointless.
Honestly a Mega Mod has been the dream of an IC community forever really, but the problem is that a lot of people have opposing tastes on what the want from IC. Like, I like seeing silly, mythological, or alien creatures as stock. I think that's fun and keeps everything fresh, leaves it open to some unique combinations. However some people hate having fictional characters in IC and want to keep it with non-extinct Earth creatures. So dinosaurs are also out.
and then there's play-styles and all kinds of shit that comes into it after that. Like Research Levels and Costs and whatnot.
It's just so many dissenting voices. absolute unity for a "community project" is impossible.
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Post by MERRY CROMBMAS! on Aug 25, 2012 16:27:34 GMT
Pretty much what doktor said.
I think I'm the only person in the community that is of the opinion that SMod is the best mod ever.
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Post by Sawslig Steve. And William. on Aug 25, 2012 16:56:18 GMT
Actually yeah, well said Dok.
Every now and again someone comes along and says they "want to make a community mod".
What they mean is, they want to make a mod for themselves, but are too lazy to do any work, and thus want to use everyone else's models. Because it is an extraordinary amount of work, making your own. Especially the wierd ones we make here at Tel.
God I hope so.
IoTKA REPRESEEEEENT?
YOU'RE a small community.
Zing!
Seriously though, no. Really wanna to know why?
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Post by Fuck you Steve on Aug 25, 2012 17:17:47 GMT
I think I know why.
You're afraid that people are gonna use your models without your permission, release them in a mod, and claim them as their own.
And, like I said on ICH, it's a middle school issue that can be solved easily.
And is rocks releasing his modded tell to the public the reason why you cancelled oceanic tell?
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Post by Sawslig Steve. And William. on Aug 25, 2012 18:21:56 GMT
You asked for this, kid.
No. Nobody is going to think that someone other than me made my giant squid, for instance. Small community. It's obvious who did what.
There's a whole bunch of reasons for why we don't want our creatures in other people's mods. But basically, the reason closest to my heart personally is that we made Tellurian as an alternative. Something for people who don't like the unprofessionalism and silliness of CC and the other mods because it just doesn't gel with Impossible Creatures' style. Don't get me wrong. IC has a definite quirkiness to it, but that quirkiness isn't the same kind of weirdness as the alien or the frownodon. In fact, they're at right angles to each other.
Look at it this way. What's the selling point of Impossible Creatures? You take two animals and combine them. Not an animal and a fictional entity. That doesn't make sense. I know you can say that mixing two animals together in the first place doesn't make sense, and you'd be right, but it does make sense in the context of the game. Essentially, IC invented its own universe with its own rules, just like any good game should. CC goes outside that universe, and that kills immersion and makes it shit. Not just with the creatures that don't exist. Even the real animals (grasshopper, for example, or snow leopard) don't look or move like what exists in nature.
For me, this ruins the game. Which is why, as I said, we made Tel. As an alternative. An add-on that works within the confines of the game's universe.
However, what you people want to do is take this alternative and amalgamate it with the very thing we were trying to circumvent. Instead of an alternative, suddenly we're just providing models to perpetuate the same old silliness, and I'm not comfortable with that. As I've often said, Tel is different to CC and to all the other mods, and it should stay different.
What's more is, it's a lot of work to make a mod. A lot. Especially one like Tellurian, which has the kind of models and features that no other mod could provide. And then, after you've put all that work into it, the community just appropriates it-- they view it as their property, their right, rather than a privilege, and disregard all the effort you put into it entirely.
To explain, via heinous digression, imagine you're an artist. Pretend that you're sick of the current art scene, because you don't believe in the chaotic style of modern art. Nothing wrong with that; you acknowledge that some people prefer weird lines and pictures of screaming babies' elbows, but it isn't your jam, so instead you decide to make something nice. Imagine, then, that you spent a year or so painting a picture of a lovely countryside. You're quite proud of it, and you don't mind hanging it in a gallery for other people to look at. But then, the people take your painting and cut it into bits, which they paste onto another, bigger painting, making some kind of avant-garde monstrousity. And then they complain when you don't want to hand them your next painting. That's kind of where we're sitting at the moment. Conglomerating models goes against the whole core point of Tellurian.
So instead of giving y'all a new watercolour to mangle, we're keeping it for ourselves. Because we made it for ourselves in the first place, and apparently, the rest of the community doesn't need the alternative-- they just want more bits to paste into their game.
This is all just scratching the surface. It's complicated, and I could say a lot more about it, but it's half past 2 in the morning and I feel like a bowl of cereal.
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Post by Fuck you Steve on Aug 25, 2012 20:12:45 GMT
I see you really hate creature chaos.
Now, don't get me wrong, I know how you feel about having your hard work getting "stolen" and someone claiming your work as their own.
But has chamillas ever claimed the creatures from tell, cc, iotka, cs, and ai to be his own? He has never once said that every creature in his mod is his creation. I see you're frustrated, and you're blowing things out of proportion.
Just ask chamillas to give you credit. People are still gonna recognize you as the creator of the tell creatures, so don't ruffle your feathers on such a small issue.
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Post by MERRY CROMBMAS! on Aug 25, 2012 20:16:09 GMT
I really don't think there's any "professionalism" in a game where you mix animals limb by limb because a wizard did it.
EDIT: to clarify, I think the term you're looking for is suspension of disbelief.
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Post by Matt on Aug 25, 2012 22:28:09 GMT
I see you really hate creature chaos. Now, don't get me wrong, I know how you feel about having your hard work getting "stolen" and someone claiming your work as their own. But has chamillas ever claimed the creatures from tell, cc, iotka, cs, and ai to be his own? He has never once said that every creature in his mod is his creation. I see you're frustrated, and you're blowing things out of proportion. Just ask chamillas to give you credit. People are still gonna recognize you as the creator of the tell creatures, so don't ruffle your feathers on such a small issue. did you even read the wall? I really don't think there's any "professionalism" in a game where you mix animals limb by limb because a wizard did it. the problem with the alien/frownodon is that it really defeats the prpose. insteadof cool animal amalgamations you end up with creature with stat x plus creature with stat y. if you add stuff like that, why even bother making models? why even keep thing remotely accurate?
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Post by MERRY CROMBMAS! on Aug 25, 2012 23:01:28 GMT
Well, don't keep things accurate. It's much easier.
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