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Post by MERRY CROMBMAS! on Aug 27, 2012 23:26:03 GMT
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Post by Fuck you Steve on Aug 28, 2012 1:40:29 GMT
Ah. Bias in it's purest form. Also, good game today, visser.
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Post by thedoktor on Aug 28, 2012 2:21:24 GMT
It's been a long time, but yes I have. You can actually see the conversation devolving into garbage though.
I've talked to Revan and Puglin on various occasions, and I don't know what it is that makes them so, grating to each other. I think it's a matter of pride, which I understand. That's fine.
if there's ever going to be peace in the community there needs to be some more, mediation. Project Leads on their own just kinda dick-waving at each other always leads to disaster.
Common ground can be found.
I'll make a few notes about the main issues:
Puglin doesn't like the CC creatures, or fictional/extinct ones - states he had plans or was willing to re-make them with the new modelling method.
Revan says even if they cooperated to make a non-Fictional creature mod, the community would still be split. Which he is correct, people like the Alien and Frowny. They're popular.
Overall, if the issue is using Tell creatures in tandom with fictional creatures, I'm sure some arrangement could be made. I'm not particularly attached to having fictional creatures, and if Tell did some re-makes of the CC animals with new models and whatnot. Well that honestly dwindles the need for a mega mod to those few who REALLY like Aliens and Dinosaurs.
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Post by Sawslig Steve. And William. on Aug 28, 2012 3:07:08 GMT
Well, additionally, the fact that people can enjoy a mod like GC is very disheartening-- it shows that our personal emphasis on quality is lost on most people, who for some reason just want more shit to throw into a combiner. Which implies that, regardless of what agreement we reach, people will still try to make mods like GC.
Take, for example, what a considerable proportion of the community keeps saying. "HOHOHOOOO CANTWAITFOROCEANTEL GONNA STEAL SO MENNY MODELZ". Granted, that proportion is retarded. But if that's the reward we get for putting this kind of effort into a mod, and if apparently almost the entire community is douchebags... Well. I don't feel a burning desire to make them happy, if you understand.
P.S. The problem with Revan was that he wasn't willing to Not have his [shitty] creatures in a mod. To the point where he wasn't even okay with me re-making them. I really can't see myself working with Revan-- probably, like you said, too much pride on both sides-- but I don't see that as a particularly bad thing. He doesn't have very much to offer in the first place.
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Post by thedoktor on Aug 28, 2012 3:34:04 GMT
What about not releasing OceanTell at large? Just a small circle
Considering you are the only guys I play with anyway, and I'm more than happy to keep it to myself. I don't see the harm in it really?
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Post by Sawslig Steve. And William. on Aug 28, 2012 3:36:19 GMT
We don't trust you. Sorry to be bald about it, but you've kind of been against us from the start.
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Post by thedoktor on Aug 28, 2012 5:33:56 GMT
Ummm no?
If I was against you from the start I wouldn't have helped you with Anglerfish or played with you and the rest of the Tell team, which I did quite often.
That's actually kinda low really, we were all cool this morning trying to play a game, and you come out with this shit? You're being rather two-faced.
And if you're talking about me giving you a hard time about this shit with Rocks and whatever, yeah that was a long time ago. I don't give a shit about that anymore.
I've told you this already, I wanted let go of our rocky past and play OceanTell with you guys, help out with it or whatever.
I don't get you sometimes, Puglin. Because you're really chill and nice if I talk to you one on one, but you're always icing me out on the forums. What's up with that anyway?
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Post by Sawslig Steve. And William. on Aug 28, 2012 7:08:49 GMT
We don't trust you because you have a tendency to get antsy with very little provocation. Which means we can never say for sure what you're going to do.
Don't take this the wrong way, but I'm two-faced because you're two-faced, and I respond appropriately. That's a blunt way to say it, but more simply, I'm always chill and nice-- until people start being annoying. I'm not [generally] a spontaneous asshole. See, for instance, Camilla's mod thread. GC is terrible, but I didn't call him on that, because that's mean. Which's also why I tried to direct Tel-based traffic here. If he was to start saying things about Tel, though, then maybe he'd get kicked in the face.
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Post by MERRY CROMBMAS! on Aug 28, 2012 11:28:03 GMT
I'm not two-faced.
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Post by Fuck you Steve on Aug 28, 2012 12:05:03 GMT
We don't trust you because you have a tendency to get antsy with very little provocation. Which means we can never say for sure what you're going to do. Don't take this the wrong way, but I'm two-faced because you're two-faced, and I respond appropriately. That's a blunt way to say it, but more simply, I'm always chill and nice-- until people start being annoying. I'm not [generally] a spontaneous asshole. See, for instance, Camilla's mod thread. GC is terrible, but I didn't call him on that, because that's mean. Which's also why I tried to direct Tel-based traffic here. If he was to start saying things about Tel, though, then maybe he'd get kicked in the face. But why not release it at small? So we can play like we did yesterday: privately and without anybody else knowing. The reason why tell was popularized was because dell hyped up it's release. If you release it privately, then nothing bad will happen.
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Post by Sawslig Steve. And William. on Aug 28, 2012 15:19:21 GMT
Nothing bad would happen, if you guys were completely trustworthy . Besides, this is a public forum. People would read about us giving you Tel and say, hey, give us Tel too.
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Post by Fuck you Steve on Aug 28, 2012 15:26:30 GMT
I swear to god. I have nothing to do with chamilla's mod and probably never will.
We played together yesterday, man. (Those pirahna snowy owls were really good btw)
And I swear that I will never leak any newtell info onto ICH or the tell forma.
And wanna talk on skype about this?
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Post by thedoktor on Aug 28, 2012 15:44:43 GMT
Look Puglin, when I was working on my mod, I asked permission, you said no, and that was it. I never released it, I kept it private and completely for myself.
In spite of me giving you a hard time about things I never would do something like release a mega-mod out of spite. I'm not like that. I very well could have just said "fuck you I'll do it anyway" but I never did. I made a private mega-mod I used for testing and a kind of sandbox.
So yeah, I may say a bunch of shit to you, call you names or whatever. But I'm not going to try to get OT just to release it behind your back. That's not my way. Something like that, that's very rash and spiteful to do, I give you a hard-time a lot because that is a good alternative. I never threatened you about releasing a mega-mod. But I did voice my opinions on how the Rocks situation was handled, which far and away the biggest beef I have with that is that he didn't know better, because there's no disclaimers anywhere, and then because of that you jump all over the idea of locking OT away forever. That's what got me the most. That someone came in from out of the blue and released a mod. Would you do the same if it was some random noob? Didn't know what the fuck was going on? Even if they apologised and updated the link with the removed Tellanimals? That's what gets me, the absolute rash decision to lock OT away because of one person who just shows up out of nowhere. That's what has always bothered me the most. Now, if it was someone like Wolverale or someone who was rather active and knew what was going on, that'd be much different.
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Post by Fuck you Steve on Aug 28, 2012 18:52:55 GMT
Good post dok. I believe we have reached the core issue of this whole flabberfuck. Will and Revan have a talk on skype. Revan asks Will to join forces with him. Will likes the idea, but is a bit scetchy about it. Revan threatens Will. Unneded argument insued. Revan leaves the IC community, never to be seen again.
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Post by Matt on Aug 28, 2012 20:46:43 GMT
it goes back before that /mysterious
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